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Mate
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Registered: ‎05-31-2019

Re: Water pump problems with 25/30 hp E-tecs

After 20 years of faithful service from my 1995 Evinrude 25 HP it started giving me a little trouble. Im 66 yrs old and I decided to get a new 25hp E-TEC Model # E25DGTEAF electric start because I didn't want to get stranded out on the water and I wanted the ease of starting . I took delivery in the spring on 2017.For health reasons I haven't been able to get out as much as much as I wanted too. Last spring the motor would go into safe mode a couple of times, and after a few minutes it would restart and off I went. This spring I planned a 7 day fishing trip. That didn't happen. After being out on the water for less than an hour it went into safe mode and I hobbled back to shore. I took it to my Evinrude dealer and he told me it was overheating because the impellers on the water pump had failed. The engine has only 39 hours on it. Are you kidding me ! How does this happen ? Apparently I don't use the motor enough. The impellers became brittle and broke. So it required a new water pump that the dealer tells me is not coverd under warranty. Why hasn't Evinrude adderessed this problem. I see posts going back to 2013 with the same problems. I am so dissappointed with this purchase. I phoned BRP and the rep said she wasn't aware of any water pump failures on the 25HP Etec motors. I told her to go on the internet and read about them.  I asked the dealer if a different impeller was available to avoid this same problem and to my surprise the answer is no. I thought I did enough homework before I purchased this motor, but  I guess I didn't. I'm not feeling real good about going out on the water with this problem waiting to happen again. Unless Evinrude addresses this issue I wouldn't recommend this motor to anybody. 

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Admiral
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Re: Water pump problems with 25/30 hp E-tecs

 

One thing that can cause short impeller life is flushing the motor using muffs but not taping off the holes on each side underneath the anti-ventilation plate.

 

If your impeller was not melted or damaged from running dry, you may want to contact Evinrude After Sales and make them aware of your experience. Include the motor serial number, dealer name, and a brief history of the motor and send to  http://www.brp.com/en/forms/contact-us.html

 

 

 


"There is never just one thing wrong with a boat";
                    -- Travis McGee, main character in a book series by John D. McDonald 


 



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The factory recommends that a properly trained technician service your Johnson or Evinrude outboard motor. Should you elect to perform repairs yourself, use caution, common sense, and observe safety procedures in the vicinity of flammable liquids, around moving parts, near high-temperature components, and working with electrical or ignition systems.

The information offered here is only general in nature and should not be construed as complete factory approved procedures, techniques, or specifications. Always use the proper service manual for your motor, up-to-date service literature, the correct tools, and have an understanding of how to proceed with troubleshooting and repair methods. If you are unsure or uncomfortable with a procedure, a situation, or a technique, enlist the services of a factory trained technician.


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Re: Water pump problems with 25/30 hp E-tecs

Thank you BluewaterBill for getting back to me. I winterized the motor twice and nowhere ( including you tube ) did it mention to tape off the holes underneath the anti-ventilation plate. I spoke with a warranty rep at BRP and she was very cautious with her words and indicated she didn't have any knowledge whatsoever with the water pump problems. She took my serial number and came back to me saying there are no notes re water pump issues with these motors. I felt she knew about the issues but are told not  to discuss the problem with the customer. She told me to go through the dealer where I bought the motor for any further assistance. I'll send an email to BRP with the address you provided. I'll be very curious to see what their responce will be. Tks Bill. I'll keep you posted.

 

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Captain
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Registered: ‎08-20-2017

Re: Water pump problems with 25/30 hp E-tecs

May not be a new impeller but there is an improved cup in water pump kit #5008972 to extend impeller life. This kit was released about a year ago. You dealer should could contact tech help for advice on improved parts or warranty coverage.
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Mate
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Re: Water pump problems with 25/30 hp E-tecs

Good morning Rickmcd53. Was this kit recommended by Evinrude ? Is there a bullitin # I can tell my dealer to reference ?

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Registered: ‎08-20-2017

Re: Water pump problems with 25/30 hp E-tecs

It is not accurate to say that water pump kit #5008972 was recommended by Evinrude or if there was a bulliten on it. That water pump kit with an improved cup design replaced the old water pump kit over 6 months ago. The old kits are no longer available so the new kit is the only one available for water pump service.
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Registered: ‎06-01-2020

Re: Water pump problems with 25/30 hp E-tecs

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2017 Evenrude 30HP Etec
Model: E30DPSLAFC
 
My dad bought this engine brand new in 2017 and has used it only a had full of times. The past couple years it’s given him problems and I just took it over as a side project.
Here’s what I know.
Engine starts and runs great. Smooth idle but the tell tale is not spitting water
I hooked up a hose to the flushing port to back flush the lines and the lines seem to have no obstructions… water runs out the bottom holes and the water intake. I can feel water running through most of the cooling hoses around the engine. I then put the engine in a garbage can full of water and ran it for about 3-5 minutes. Nothing coming out the tell tale. And the LED Overheat light did not come on… but I didn’t run it that long.  Goes in to gear both forward and reverse. When I raise the idle lever it does not rev up… just boggs down like it’s a choke.
 
This coincides with my dad’s story regarding is last time out… sounds like the engine when into safe mode. (He didn’t look to see if it was spitting water but my guess is that it wasn't)  
So my questions:
So I’m guessing it’s the water pump impeller? Anything else I can check?
 
I think the engine is still under warranty but is a new water pump / Impeller covered?
I found his paper work and it says he had “REGULAR” coverage and the coverage goes to 11/06/25.
 
The local dealer here can’t get to the engine till the end fo June. If it’s not covered by warranty, I’m considering pulling off the bottom end to check the water pump impeller? I’m a half-ass wrencher on autos but this would be my first project on an outboard.   Any “how to” videos or write up on this project?
 
Water pump kit #5008972 was recommended earlier in this thread. Is that still applicable?
 
Thanks in advance!!!
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Captain
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Registered: ‎08-20-2017

Re: Water pump problems with 25/30 hp E-tecs

That engine will not rev up in neutral with the warm up lever, this is normal. The "warm up lever" is a carry over from carbureted motors and only used for winterization on an ETEC.
99% chance you have a bad pump impeller, this happens on engines that sit up and don't get used much. The impeller may or may not be covered by warranty, depends on inspection results after disassembly.
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Registered: ‎06-01-2020

Re: Water pump problems with 25/30 hp E-tecs

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Thank you for the info.

So I think I'm going to drop it and take a look at the impeller, probably change the whole water pump.  This may void the warranty, but my gut says with Evinrude closing up shop, it's going to be more difficult to get a warrenty claim? Thoughts?

 

E30 DPS LAFC

Serial # 05496988

 

Can you guys with all the knowledge confirm

1) That the 5008972 water pump kit is the correct one for my engine? 

2) Use 3M Nitrile High Performance Rubber and Gasket Adhesive 847?

 

thanks again.

 

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Mate
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Registered: ‎06-01-2020

Re: Water pump problems with 25/30 hp E-tecs

I wanted to put up somemore info.... just to help the next guy in my situration.

 

I ended up changing out the whole water pump which was the right call. It was trashed. Little bits of rubber everywhere.  It's not to bad of a job. Instructions come with the kit. *(5008972 was the correct kit for my 2017 E30) and these two YouTube videos will give you most of what you need to figure it out.

 
2008 175hp - Replace water pump 
Danger Marine - 150hp
 
So I bought:
1-Evinrude water pump kit,
2-Gasket adhesive ( I'm no expert but I think the 3M Nitrile High Performance Rubber and Gasket Adhesive 847 or Permatex  Aviation Form-A-Gasket or Quicksilver adhesive will all work.  Maybe someone else can weigh in on this???
3-Waterproof grease. I used Evinrude Triple Gaurd Grease.
 
Couple thoughts that may help:
The disconnect for the shift rod for my engine was right behind the water intake screen. Super easy.
Once you get everything cleaned up, the drive shaft can be pulled up out of the gear box.. you can check your gear box oil situration and it makes it easier to get the little wedge in the new impeler.
The gasket adhesive is messy... go slow and give it some time to dry before you try and put it all together.
Make sure you bend the impeler wings the right way. I used a zip tie to help get them all bent the right way and it helped to get them started into the cup.
Make sure and get the metal plate under the housing on the right way up.
The kit comes with some Molly grease for the spline.  
 
Again, this is the first time I've done this, so if I'm wrong on anything... someone please correct me.